Thomas Veil
Mar 8, 05:59 AM
Why? Was it because of something he posted on Facebook? :DLOL!
In all seriousness...it'd be a hoot if they hired Emilio Estevez. Can you imagine the intra-family squabble that might set up?? :D
In all seriousness...it'd be a hoot if they hired Emilio Estevez. Can you imagine the intra-family squabble that might set up?? :D
daveschroeder
Oct 23, 08:35 AM
Dave,
I understand where you are coming from, but I still don't interpret the EULA as you do. Neither does Paul Thurrott http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_licensing.asp. Can you please provide links to others who think like you, preferably if they happen to work for MS. ;)
Coincidentally, I had just emailed Paul.
He already responded:
From: thurrott [at] gmail.com
Subject: RE: Row over Vista virtualization much ado about nothing?
Date: October 23, 2006 8:23:04 AM CDT
To: das [at] doit.wisc.edu
Microsoft told me that the retail EULA forbids the installation of Windows
Vista Home Basic or Home Premium in virtual machines. They said that if
developers wanted to do this, they should get an MSDN subscription, which
has a different license allowing such an install. All that said, there's
nothing technical from preventing users from installing any Vista version in
a virtual machine.
Paul
...to which I replied:
From: das [at] doit.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: Row over Vista virtualization much ado about nothing?
Date: October 23, 2006 8:30:57 AM CDT
To: thurrott [at] gmail.com
Security: Signed
So Microsoft actually does intend the EULA to prohibit someone from, say, buying Vista Home as a retail box and then installing it in Parallels Desktop on a Mac? (I know there is nothing technical preventing that.)
This still seems curious, given that in that scenario, not only does Vista Ultimate allow VM use, but also includes an additional license specifically so that same copy can be installed in a VM on the same device. Why wouldn't Home's license allow a single instance of itself to be used in a VM as long as it's not already installed somewhere else? The language all revolves around "the software installed on the licensed device", and I take that to mean the software *already* installed on that device, but I suppose that could be argued to mean that it can't be installed on *any* device where it would be used in a virtualization environment...
Update: Paul's response:
From: thurrott [at] gmail.com
Subject: RE: Row over Vista virtualization much ado about nothing?
Date: October 23, 2006 8:34:07 AM CDT
To: das [at] doit.wisc.edu
Yeah, that's what they told me. My guess is that they don't want people
purchasing the low-cost versions, installing them on virtual machine
environments they don't understand (like Parallels) and then demanding
support.
You can understand why this is an issue, given that the Business and Ultimate EULAs not only explicitly allow VM use, but also include additional licenses to use that copy a second time in a VM, legally (on the same device). Also, all the language, as I said, revolves around using "the software installed on the licensed device" (implying that it's an installation that already exists on a licensed device) in a VM.
So I'll say that, if this is accurate, I stand corrected. After a few years of reading Microsoft (and other) EULAs, even I thought Microsoft wouldn't be that retarded. ;-)
Given the language, and given the additional-license situation with Business and Ultimate, I still have to say I'm surprised.
I understand where you are coming from, but I still don't interpret the EULA as you do. Neither does Paul Thurrott http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_licensing.asp. Can you please provide links to others who think like you, preferably if they happen to work for MS. ;)
Coincidentally, I had just emailed Paul.
He already responded:
From: thurrott [at] gmail.com
Subject: RE: Row over Vista virtualization much ado about nothing?
Date: October 23, 2006 8:23:04 AM CDT
To: das [at] doit.wisc.edu
Microsoft told me that the retail EULA forbids the installation of Windows
Vista Home Basic or Home Premium in virtual machines. They said that if
developers wanted to do this, they should get an MSDN subscription, which
has a different license allowing such an install. All that said, there's
nothing technical from preventing users from installing any Vista version in
a virtual machine.
Paul
...to which I replied:
From: das [at] doit.wisc.edu
Subject: Re: Row over Vista virtualization much ado about nothing?
Date: October 23, 2006 8:30:57 AM CDT
To: thurrott [at] gmail.com
Security: Signed
So Microsoft actually does intend the EULA to prohibit someone from, say, buying Vista Home as a retail box and then installing it in Parallels Desktop on a Mac? (I know there is nothing technical preventing that.)
This still seems curious, given that in that scenario, not only does Vista Ultimate allow VM use, but also includes an additional license specifically so that same copy can be installed in a VM on the same device. Why wouldn't Home's license allow a single instance of itself to be used in a VM as long as it's not already installed somewhere else? The language all revolves around "the software installed on the licensed device", and I take that to mean the software *already* installed on that device, but I suppose that could be argued to mean that it can't be installed on *any* device where it would be used in a virtualization environment...
Update: Paul's response:
From: thurrott [at] gmail.com
Subject: RE: Row over Vista virtualization much ado about nothing?
Date: October 23, 2006 8:34:07 AM CDT
To: das [at] doit.wisc.edu
Yeah, that's what they told me. My guess is that they don't want people
purchasing the low-cost versions, installing them on virtual machine
environments they don't understand (like Parallels) and then demanding
support.
You can understand why this is an issue, given that the Business and Ultimate EULAs not only explicitly allow VM use, but also include additional licenses to use that copy a second time in a VM, legally (on the same device). Also, all the language, as I said, revolves around using "the software installed on the licensed device" (implying that it's an installation that already exists on a licensed device) in a VM.
So I'll say that, if this is accurate, I stand corrected. After a few years of reading Microsoft (and other) EULAs, even I thought Microsoft wouldn't be that retarded. ;-)
Given the language, and given the additional-license situation with Business and Ultimate, I still have to say I'm surprised.
AppleScruff1
Apr 23, 03:59 PM
Hasn't Apple's success helped you think about your wallet? Companies are just now being able to price-match the iPad.
It really has become apparent that the iPad is priced aggressively. Even if other companies are price matching it, they aren't making much of a profit on their tablets. That is a big plus for Apple.
It really has become apparent that the iPad is priced aggressively. Even if other companies are price matching it, they aren't making much of a profit on their tablets. That is a big plus for Apple.
randyharris
Jul 10, 04:06 PM
Toolbars and drop down menus are the things Microsoft have DROPPED from Office 2007.
The pictures I've seen of Windows Office 2007 most certainly still has icon bars, it's just redesigned to be grouped more than a scatter approach.
And just because MSFT is changing it, doesn't mean that it will be more efficient. (It may be, but I haven't tried it yet.) I have heard a few pundits harp on the new setup saying in efforts to make things more simple they dumbed it down too much for a power user.
Randy
The pictures I've seen of Windows Office 2007 most certainly still has icon bars, it's just redesigned to be grouped more than a scatter approach.
And just because MSFT is changing it, doesn't mean that it will be more efficient. (It may be, but I haven't tried it yet.) I have heard a few pundits harp on the new setup saying in efforts to make things more simple they dumbed it down too much for a power user.
Randy
AppleScruff1
Apr 29, 07:56 PM
That's your choice man and I respect it, we all have our own ways.
Sorry, I'm actually being sarcastic, but you will find a lot of users here who behave just as I have described. You'd think that they sat on the board of directors. I agree with you, competition is good and it is good to be open minded and not have blind loyalty to one company. But the majority here will disagree with that.
Sorry, I'm actually being sarcastic, but you will find a lot of users here who behave just as I have described. You'd think that they sat on the board of directors. I agree with you, competition is good and it is good to be open minded and not have blind loyalty to one company. But the majority here will disagree with that.
qtx43
Apr 12, 01:47 PM
4G data for tethering (probably unlimited when in 4g) as well as a better screen (Not more pixels, just sharper pixels with better color balance. Perhaps a bigger screen.)
Hmm...the display is already outstanding. I suppose it will probably have 4g, but what if it doesn't? Still upgrading sight unseen? No doubt there will be improvements, but exactly which parts they are nobody knows.
Hmm...the display is already outstanding. I suppose it will probably have 4g, but what if it doesn't? Still upgrading sight unseen? No doubt there will be improvements, but exactly which parts they are nobody knows.
Groves
Mar 31, 10:42 AM
Huge drop in productivity.
Those OCD mac users will be picking at that torn-page remnant all day long.
Those OCD mac users will be picking at that torn-page remnant all day long.
Black Belt
May 5, 02:22 PM
Apple's new release timeframe has zero to do with phone upgrade eligibility. Thus BS. And I bet AT&T call center people are so tired of Apple owners they probably make shite up just to mess with their minds and they sit around the lunchroom telling the stories. :p
Aetherhole
Mar 16, 09:28 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8B117 Safari/6531.22.7)
Don't know if we have any here at FI yet, but I am hopeful after hearing that south coast got some!
Don't know if we have any here at FI yet, but I am hopeful after hearing that south coast got some!
bartonlynch
Apr 23, 06:56 PM
does anyone know if the dual GSM/CDMA chip supports T-MO 3G?
if so, yee boiii
if so, yee boiii
littleman23408
Sep 14, 09:32 PM
Picked up 3rd season of Big Bang Theory, and the 4th and 5th season of Its Always Sunny....Can't wait for Sunny to start on Thursday!! I got home and immediately watched Kitten Mittons hahahaha
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4111/4992043036_4b50b80654_m.jpg
Got Elton John - Goodbye yellow brick road and Jimi Hendrix - Are you experienced in the mail yesterday.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/4991436795_7da9c999d0_m.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4083/4992043718_4d70ec8b42_m.jpg
and then today I got Bob Dylan - Bringing it all back home, I took a listen, and so far I really enjoy this album.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4084/4991437403_d014b504d0_m.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4111/4992043036_4b50b80654_m.jpg
Got Elton John - Goodbye yellow brick road and Jimi Hendrix - Are you experienced in the mail yesterday.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/4991436795_7da9c999d0_m.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4083/4992043718_4d70ec8b42_m.jpg
and then today I got Bob Dylan - Bringing it all back home, I took a listen, and so far I really enjoy this album.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4084/4991437403_d014b504d0_m.jpg
iLilana
Mar 31, 10:43 AM
integrate iChat and face time already!!!!
peskaa
Nov 1, 11:43 AM
Canon 200mm f/2?
Me too.
Looks more like the 300mm f/2.8L. The IS switches are in the wrong locations for the 200 f/2L.
</nerd>
Me too.
Looks more like the 300mm f/2.8L. The IS switches are in the wrong locations for the 200 f/2L.
</nerd>
vnle
Sep 16, 08:36 PM
But gotta say, it's worth it :cool:
mc68k
Oct 6, 05:24 PM
wow meeble and trainguy! long time no see guys
welcome back
welcome back
chrmjenkins
Apr 22, 03:12 PM
Really? So the fact that they did not have laptops with mainstream mobile quad core CPUs before Sandy Bridge when every other computers manufacturer had them is "immaterial" now? With LTE it's the same story all over. After they finally get in a year or two you'll probably be able to say again that it's immaterial. I bet it's very material to those who want iPhone with LTE now. Another major problem here is that Apple sticks to having just one model of iPhone (CDMA vs GSM differences aside). As if all people wanted the same thing. They don't.
No, you're trying to bring attention Apple's lack of using the latest components as why they won't use LTE. That's not the case anymore. They use mobile quad cores now. Therefore, your argument is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what they used to do if their most recent action is different. You need a complete history of them not doing it to support your point. That history doesn't exist.
Apple has no interest in making different sizes/models of iPhones. If you don't care for that, apple isn't for you. They are a greatest common denominator company.
No, you're trying to bring attention Apple's lack of using the latest components as why they won't use LTE. That's not the case anymore. They use mobile quad cores now. Therefore, your argument is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what they used to do if their most recent action is different. You need a complete history of them not doing it to support your point. That history doesn't exist.
Apple has no interest in making different sizes/models of iPhones. If you don't care for that, apple isn't for you. They are a greatest common denominator company.
Stella
Jul 28, 07:35 AM
Don't discount microsoft - they have money to lose for years in trying to get #1 for MP3 - slowly they creep up and overturn Apple - apple doesn't ahve the same stamina.
A long term commitment, not a short term thing.
Awesome! I can't wait for Vista! And now Zune! Who needs those silly Macs?
Uh, why is this on page 1? We already have enough iPod news, now we're going to be following an MS product that doesn't exist yet? C'mon! More grainy photos of elevators! Chop, Chop!
:D
B
A long term commitment, not a short term thing.
Awesome! I can't wait for Vista! And now Zune! Who needs those silly Macs?
Uh, why is this on page 1? We already have enough iPod news, now we're going to be following an MS product that doesn't exist yet? C'mon! More grainy photos of elevators! Chop, Chop!
:D
B
renewed
Sep 17, 06:24 PM
Xbox 360 Halo Reach Edition just got here!!! So what did I do? Bought a 32" Vizio to go with it for my bedroom. :eek:
iSee
May 4, 08:57 AM
We are always skeptical about such information shared by customer-facing representatives of Apple or associated companies, as those employees are essentially never provided with that level of information ahead of any official announcement.
And this case is no different. Should not even be page 2.
And this case is no different. Should not even be page 2.
kalafalas
Sep 29, 11:21 PM
i live in teh SF bay area (east bay), and i usually get about 4 bars of 3G outside, with about 1mbps down, and 150kbps up (horrible) speeds. but inside... i'm lucky to get two bars of 3G, and i it drops the call more than 50% of the time, and i have to manually switch to edge. and even outside when i get good service, its about 30% fail rate.
Step up your game AT&T, you knew what you were getting into when you saw what this godlike device could do, and what it required to do it. and then you failed to meet the requirements, europe seems to handle it just fine, so what the ****?
at least so far MMS has been flawless, that deserves props
Step up your game AT&T, you knew what you were getting into when you saw what this godlike device could do, and what it required to do it. and then you failed to meet the requirements, europe seems to handle it just fine, so what the ****?
at least so far MMS has been flawless, that deserves props
mjstew33
Jul 21, 10:13 AM
AWESOME!
YAY.
We can beat Dell...
Very, very awesome. *proud to be an Apple fan*
YAY.
We can beat Dell...
Very, very awesome. *proud to be an Apple fan*
Rodimus Prime
May 1, 11:17 PM
And if a Republican was in office when it happened, you don't think they would have tried to use it for political gain?
It's politics. Period.
yep they would have and my opinion on the matter would be exactly the same.
I do hope Obama and the Dems do the right thing and not try to use it as political capital. Hopefully the fear of it will keep the GOP from trying to use it.
It's politics. Period.
yep they would have and my opinion on the matter would be exactly the same.
I do hope Obama and the Dems do the right thing and not try to use it as political capital. Hopefully the fear of it will keep the GOP from trying to use it.
rdowns
Dec 29, 01:00 PM
Seriously, no one is questioning this? I don't care how big this woman is, no one can eat 90 pounds of food plus 2 hams and 5 loaves of bread.
Surely
Feb 28, 01:41 PM
I disagree. He's seriously ill. Just look at the guy. He's one year older than I am and he looks ten years older.
I'm not saying that I don't think he's abusing some serious drugs, but I think he has more control over what he's doing/saying than we think.
I'm not saying that I don't think he's abusing some serious drugs, but I think he has more control over what he's doing/saying than we think.
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